Maps, Directions, and Place Reviews
Featured article review of Zambezi
I have nominated Zambezi for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Tom B (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Aliso Creek (Orange County)
The Aliso Creek article has been in existence for 1 year, 1 month and no one has assessed it. themaee (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Coordinates format
Hello, I have traveled from WikiProject Geographical coordinates, where we seek wider opinions on whether {{coord}} should offer a N/S/E/W labeled format for decimal coordinates (example: 43.12°N 79.34°W / 43.12; -79.34) either as an option or by default, or if the existing unlabeled format (example: 43.12°N 79.34°W / 43.12; -79.34) is sufficient. Please comment there if you have an opinion on this. Thanks! --GregU (talk) 17:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Mobile River
There's something wrong with the length in the article. First it is stated that the course has a length from about 40 mi, then it is said that it is formed approximately 50 mi NNE of Mobile, while it is flowing southwards "in a winding course". However those informations don't match together. --Matthiasb (talk) 19:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Names for Lists of rivers
Left and right tributary
Hi all. "The Foo1 is a left tributary of the Foo2". No problem. "The Foo1 is a right tributary of the Foo2." Problem. it suggests a 'correct' tributary (and the "right" is often removed in the articles). What is the correct sentence? "Foo1 is a tributary off the right bank of the Foo2"? Or something not so "heavy"? Thanks in advance. Alvar? ? 17:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Thompson River Photo
Hello, I believe this is the correct talk page to post this question. I would like to improve the wiki/Thompson_River article by posting my photo of white water rafting on the Thompson River taken August 31, 1997. Wikipedia Code to be added to the article below the other photos is as follows:
Thanks, User:AndrewAntaro (AndrewAntaro (talk) 01:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC))
Naming
Is the Naming advice on the project page reasonably well-established (so that it could be summarized in the placenames guideline)? Please join the discussion at WT:NCGN#Mountains, rivers, lakes.--Kotniski (talk) 09:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
Karnaphuli River
Article states the the river is "667 kilometres (2,190,000 ft) wide"! Is this true? or should it be 667km long, in which case the conversion should be to miles. Mjroots (talk) 11:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Featured topic question
The minimum number of articles needed for a Featured topic is three, at least two of which must be FA or FL - see here. Larrys Creek is a FA, List of tributaries of Larrys Creek is a FL, and Cogan House Covered Bridge (on the National Register of Historic Places and the only notable bridge over Larrys Creek) is also a FA. Does this seem enough to others to try for a FT? If not, what other types of articles should be included? The most obvious possibility I had thought of was a list of all bridges over 20 feet (6.1 m) long crossing the creek (and perhaps all bridges over all of its tributaries). Not sure what else. Any feedback appreciated, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:24, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. -- Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 06:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
River regime
There is a very "stubby" article on river regime, which presumably refers to the annual pattern of change in a river's water flow. As I understand (and as reflected in some interwiki-ed articles), there is some standard classification of rivers based on the flow pattern (e.g., having the max flow during the spring snow melt, as they would do in Saskatchewan, or during the winter rains, as in coastal British Columbia, or during the melting of glaciers in the hot summer, as in the Pamirs, etc), and presumably some general research on this topic. Is there anyone with an interest and expertise in the subject willing to expand that article appropriately? (Or possibly, redirect it to some article that discusses the issue already...) Vmenkov (talk) 05:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Rampart Dam ('50s proposal on Yukon R
Please see Talk:Rampart Dam#Fisheries.2C_IJC.2C_Canada and/or its FAC about international content re this '50s project, since dropped. I'm wondering if any of you here might have something to add or might know of any Canadian POV sources on it that you may have come across in international-rivers deliberation for this or related articles.Skookum1 (talk) 16:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
proposed merge of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River
The proposed merger of North River (New York-New Jersey) to Hudson River has become surprisingly contentious. Can anyone from this project bring some perspective to the discussion at Talk:Hudson River? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:39, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Suspended load
I basically wrote the article on sediment transport from the ground up, so it's weak in suspended load (I know more about bed load). If anyone would like to add more suspended load info, especially in section 3.4 on transport rate, I would appreciate it. Awickert (talk) 23:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Category:Tidal rivers
Would Category:Tidal rivers be useful, with Tidal river as the main article, or would it be better to have a List of tidal rivers that would allow for citing? I'm coming at this from the angle of putting Penobscot River into the category, if that's relevant.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:44, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
fr:Résurgence
Hi all, do you know the en:equivalent to fr:Résurgence ? Thanks in advance. Alvar? ? 17:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
In fine, I used « Its source is a karstic spring... » Alvar? ? 15:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Assessment
Hi all. Can I, myself, evaluate my creations ? Only french rivers, cf. User:Alvaro/rivières et canaux. I want to put {{river| importance=low | class=Stub }} insteaf of {{river}} on most of my new articles. Do you agree ? Thanks in advance. Alvar? ? 14:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Ward River and separate articles for other tributaries?
I just created the Ward River and noticed it was difficult to find reliable sources online. It leads me to question the need for separate articles for each and all rivers that are tributaries in Australia when they could have a section on their respective mainstem river's article. It is the same for the Jordan River stub I have drafted, a tributary of the Barcoo River. Are all rivers inherently notable and should they all have separate articles or are sections adequate for remote or lesser known waterways?
Additonally I have recently stubbed the following 10 river pages; Russell River, Mulgrave River, Kolan River, Comet River, Nogoa River, Johnstone River, Merivale River, Suttor River, Belyando River and Moonie River. Have I been making any significant, systemic errors? I ask because I've discovered another 13 rivers in Queensland with no articles and another 13 without infoboxs and I would like to get them correct. Thanks in advance for any comments or tips. - Shiftchange (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
River Tyne, Scotland
I've been doing some tagging work for the Scotland project and came across River Tyne, Scotland which is a bit of a mess. I do try to sort things out as I come across them, but I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by this one - it's very listy, with multiple image galleries. I'm not quite sure what the Project's "house style" is when it comes to eg WP:IG and to be honest I'm a bit swamped right now - I don't suppose some of you folks could take a look and point it in the right direction? TIA. FlagSteward (talk) 21:04, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Ford
FYI, Ford Motor Company -> Ford - a WP:RM rename request has been filed. The discussion is occuring at Talk:Ford Motor Company. As ford is a word that is related to your wikiproject, this is an informative notice.
70.29.208.129 (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Canadian/BC government resource publications
- Water Powers, Fraser River, British Columbia, Canada, by British Columbia. Department of Lands. Victoria, B.C.: King'S Printer, 1938. Call #: 333.914/B862F/1938 (BC Ministry of Forests Library focuses on the Fraser basin
- Water Powers, British Columbia, Canada, by British Columbia. Department of Lands. Victoria, B.C.: King'S Printer, 1931. Call #: 333.914/B862/1931, BC Ministry of Forests Library
- Water Powers British Columbia Canada, 1954 publication. by British Columbia. Water Rights Branch. Victoria, B.C.: Queen's Printer, 1954. Call #: 333.914/B862/1954
- Water powers of Canada: Province of British Columbia. by Conway, George Robert Graham., Canada. Department of the Interior. Dominion Water Power Branch.Ottawa, ON: Dominion Water Power Branch, 1915. Call #: 333.914/C767
I used to have the 1954 one, which if course is the most up-to-date and also the most thorough, covering lots of streams (and waterfalls on them) for which other online sources will be difficult to find.23:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Maps
The assessment tag asks if a map has been provided- but the guideline don't explain where to put it- or the requested style. Help? --ClemRutter (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Watermills and Textile Mills
Smaller rivers have copious information on mills along their length- is there any advised style? Wikipedia:WikiProject Mills would be interested in a dialog.--ClemRutter (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
C Class articles
(copied over from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Assessment?)
According to the table we have 29 C class articles- but no C-class definition. There must be a wonderful explanation! Looking at it another way we have 29 article size problems. Could someone reassess them, and leave detailed comments on what needs to be done to raise them all to a B. --ClemRutter (talk) 20:13, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Assessment
I have place two comments on Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers/Assessment and received no reply- is any one watching? --ClemRutter (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Looking at the request for assessment, theres a lot to do and only a few project members. But another basic question. How do you assess a rivers importance? I know that
- Amazon, Nile, Rhein, Donau- top
- Thames, Severn, Trent, Mersey, Mekong, Mississippi, Missouri, Hudson, Ruhr, Scheldt, Seine, Moldau - high
- Irwell, Goyt, Derwent, Avon, Wye, Sieg, Ardeche - Mid
- Ingol, Teise (anything with Creek in its name) -Low
But I can't explain why. Volume of flow- giving its name to other geographical features- naming a civilisation all help. A tributary is necessarily of lower importance than the parent river. Can someone give a few suggestions?--ClemRutter (talk) 21:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
This page is a guide to assessing the importance levels of articles that are maintained by WikiProject Rivers. There are four levels of importance that give an indication as to the priority of articles to this WikiProject, as opposed to Wikipedia as a whole.
The importance levels are Top, High, Mid and Low, and are assigned by adding |importance = level to the project banner, {{WikiProject Historic sites|class=|importance=}}, on the article's talk page. A DRAFT guide to the type of articles that should be placed in each category is given below, but these are not hard and fast rules. Any individual article should be assessed on its own merits. If you are unable to decide which importance level to use, please go to the WP:Rivers talk page and leave a message there.
I would like to change these criteria
- Top: Rivers of global significance, including lists and registers thereof; rivers known to most educated persons in the world. These will be rivers that pass through many countries, have fostered civilisations, have mondial cultural significance or extreme discharges.
- High: Rivers of continental or national significance, including lists and registers thereof; rivers known to most people in a given country. These will be rivers that pass through capital cites, have major catchment areas within a country or significant cultural significance.
- Mid: Rivers of regional (sub-national) significance, including lists and registers thereof; rivers known to many people in a given territory such as a U.S. state.This class will include the majority of rivers, often they will be primary tributaries of high importance rivers. They will be rivers that have significant interest, passing through many settlements supporting many historical or industrial sites.
- Low:Rivers of local significance, including lists and registers thereof; rivers generally known (if at all) only to people living nearby. These rivers will often be short, and tributaries of mid importance rivers. They will be significant to the local culture and economy in a limited number of ways.
River stubs
Participants here may be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#River stubs. -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Geographical coordinates
Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates/Linear has recommendations on how to do it. Does this project approve? There should be a section of advise on how this is done? --ClemRutter (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Route diagrams
Again a request for guidance. Some rivers have a Route diagram attached, which is particularly useful when the river is a navigation, or you are writing about industry along its banks. The seems to be three schools of thought about how to use the icons Manchester Ship Canal which is entangled in the River Mersey and River Irwell treats a river as an unnavigable canal- hence light blue. (It flows from bottom to top). The River Len, Kent treats the river as navigable hence dark blue, but flows from top to bottom. On over 100 railway diagrams, rivers are shown using an incomplete set of icons, in the case of River Wye such a diagram has been transcluded. There are thus three conflicting sets of icons, two are shown in Template:Waterways legend and one in Template:River Icons Legend. If it is any help: I would standardise on the Manchester Ship canal approach- but going from source to mouth:
That could be added to the project page. Please, are there any strong views.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
A good example?
The {{River Medway map}} has been created for use on the River Medway article. I'd say that this is what we should be aiming for. Mjroots (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Infobox River
Template:Infobox River has gone wrong and is showing "style="white-space: nowrap" |" erratically. I myself am not familiar at all with template syntax. Someone has to correct this because it is showing up in nearly every article that uses the template. Shannon1talk contribs 01:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Afon Clun
If any of you have the time, would you mind taking a look at Afon Clun and let me know what needs to be done to raise the article's quality from Class 'C'. Many thanks, Daicaregos (talk) 07:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Inclusions of creeks, streams, sloughs on rivers lists
I'm of the opinion that they do belong, if they are significant and/or there is already an article, or likely to be one; especially because the category to use on creeks is "Rivers of [wherever]". In the case of the list in question - Talk:List_of_rivers_of_British_Columbia#Redundantness is the link to the discussion on it - many of BC's creeks are larger than rivers in many other jurisdiction; many have articles because of history associated with them, or scientific or industrial reasons, or have waterfalls or fishery protection or are otherwise noteworthy etc. User:AndrewEnns has suggested that creeks should be taken out and listed separately; I don't see the point as they're in the rivers category. I don't see the point in culling such a list; I don't think that something being labelled "river" rather than "creek" is sufficient reason to discriminate; especially because many of the streams historically might have been name4d creeks and are now named rivers, and some that were named rivers are now named creeks....I don't know if there's a WP:Rivers guideline on this but I'm tired of the two-man dialect going on; my view is that the list's completeness if the issue, and it's also a lower priority than actually writing river/creek articles.....Andrew maintains they're insignificant but his main argument is that they're named creeks rather than rivers; but some of the remote rivers, large or small, are less notable than many of the creeks he wants to cut out (bluelinked or redlinked). Many also coincide with names of towns/settlements, but have to be separate articles from the towns expressly for that reason. I haven't looked around at e.g. List of rivers in Washington, List of rivers in Texas, List of rivers in the United Kingdom, List of rivers in Australia and am unaware if there are actually any guidelines for such lists....are there?Skookum1 (talk) 12:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Ruds
There may be a problem with Iranian river names. Recently, and in the past, some editors have changed entries like Sefid River to Sefid-Rud, Zayandeh River to Z?yandé-R?d, and Zarrineh River to Zarriné-R?d. What kind of additional guidance can you suggest? --Bejnar (talk) 21:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Forks are the same as tributaries
There is a belief on Wikipedia that a fork of a river is the same thing as the mainstem, and not simply a tributary. Resultantly, there are very few articles about a river's south fork, north fork, etc. Otherwise why would articles like South Fork Merced River (which is 70 km long) still be hanging around uncreated? There must be a lot more out there; I once thought that every river over 20 miles long already has an article. Shannon1talk contribs 23:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) While we're at it, here's a few river forks and the like that seem notable but don't have pages. I'm not sure whether these are all long, important, etc, just a quick list, starting with California. The Tuolumne River has North, Middle, and South forks. The Calaveras River does not even mention the North Fork and South Fork Calaveras Rivers. Also no mention of the forks and branches of the Mokelumne River, which if I'm not mistaken include the North Mokelumne River, South Mokelumne, Little, and the North Fork Mokelumne, Middle Fork, and South Fork, whew! No pages for the North, Middle, or South Fork American River. The Feather River, there is a North Fork Feather River page, but no Middle or South Fork pages. Moving north and east, the Owyhee River has very little on the large South, Middle, and North Fork Owyhee, nor the Little Owyhee River (the main tributary). At least some of these are, I think, wild and scenic and otherwise notable. There's no pages for the North, Middle, and South Powder River (Montana), the North, South, and Little Tongue River (Montana). The North, Middle, and South Fork Flathead Rivers have no pages, and all are long and notable (some wild and scenic, a major dam, etc). The Jocko River, another Flathead tributary, is also lacking a page. There's a Middle Fork Salmon River page, but none for the long North Fork or South Fork Salmon River (Idaho). Same for the Clearwater River (Idaho) forks--the North Fork Clearwater has a mean discharge of 5,600 cfs--that's a lot!
Then there's the North Loup River, Middle Loup River, and South Loup River in Nebraska. Also in Nebraska there is no page for the Big Nemaha River, a river about 100 miles long (there is, oddly, a Nemaha River basin page).
And Kmusser is right--there are plenty of huge and notable rivers outside the US with no pages. Even nearby Canada is lacking pages for some very large rivers.
And yes, Balch Creek is excellent. Almost everything User:Finetooth touches ends up excellent (recently the Rogue River (Oregon) page). Oregon river pages are generally good, and many are very good. Like Columbia Slough, Johnson Creek (Willamette River), and Fanno Creek--all feature class and all small streams. I think it is easier to achieve FA status with a small stream a single editor or small team creates from scratch. Larger rivers that already have a lot of content and many interested editors are harder to get to FA level. One of these days I'm going to nominate the Columbia River for FA. It might be good enough--a rare example of a large number of editors working together without conflict! Pfly (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Confused with definite article...
A foreigner's nightmare... Textbook dictates use of the (a particular case of the Yauza). However, all available English-language sources (British, U.S., domestic and "international" authors) on the subject omit the. What is appropriate for this article? 04:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
- not all: this book [1] published by Harvard U uses the Yauza throughout. NVO (talk) 04:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Aliso Creek (Orange County)
Hello, could anyone give an opinion on if this article is at least remotely ready for WP:FAC? I've rewritten about of it recently; some of the older sections are unrevised. I need an opinion on if any more of this article has to be entirely rewritten. Shannon1talk contribs 05:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Renaming
Alvar? ? 00:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
One thing we missed in our discussion of river names was what to do if there are 2 rivers with the same name. German practice is to disambiguate using the name of the river which the river is a tributary of e.g. Vils (Danube) and Vils (Naab). Maybe we should add this to the convention? --Bermicourt (talk) 07:24, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Countries covered so far
- Albania
- Austria
- Belgium
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Croatia
- Czech Republic
- France
- Germany
- Italy
- Luxembourg
- Montenegro
- Netherlands
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Switzerland
To be moved
Moves that need admin intervention:
- Foglia (river) --> Foglia
- River Arno --> Arno
- Savuto River --> Savuto
- Orba (torrente) --> Orba (river)
- Soana (stream) --> Soana (river)
- Morava River --> Morava (river)
- Olza River --> Olza (river)
- Cidlina River --> Cidlina
- Sázava River --> Sázava (river)
- Narewka, river --> Narewka (river)
- Rospuda River --> Rospuda
- Ripoll River --> Ripoll (river)
- Cadagua River --> Cadagua
- Pisuerga River --> Pisuerga
- Tumbafrailes River --> Tumbafrailes
- Arade River --> Arade
- Côa River --> Côa
- Jadro River --> Jadro
- Bojana River --> Bojana
- Cijevna River --> Cijevna
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- Update, I moved all except Leie River (please pick a destination, I won't prejudge which) and Noord River which looks like some sort of merge is called for. Let me know if I screwed anything up, just wanted to help. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 04:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Bar (river) problem
(outdent) I am selfishly attached to Bar (river). Hydrology is generally separate from sediment; the only obvious disambigs to me are "Bar (landform)", "Bar (sedimentology)", and "Bar (geomorphology)"; unfortunately, all of these have non-river uses as well, and I do plan on expanding this article as there is quite a bit to say that is particular to rivers. So maybe the French river could be "Bar (river, France), and a "seealso" could be added to the top of Bar (river)? Awickert (talk) 04:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Markussep. Bar (river) for the geographical feature is confusing and not even strictly correct because they can occur in the sea parallel to a coast or across a harbour mouth. So it would be better to use "Bar (landform)", "Bar (geography)" or "Bar (topography)" as in the following examples: Channel (geography), Highland (geography), Summit (topography), Burn (topography), Spit (landform). Also we aren't supposed to 'own' articles in Wikipedia. --Bermicourt (talk) 13:01, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Markussep too. I think that title like "Foo River", "River Foo" and "Foo (river)" indicates that the article is talking about a named river. But if it's really impossible to move Bar (river), then Bar (Meuse) is the best solution, but my second choice after Bar (river). Alvar? ? 13:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Template:River morphology
This discussion reminded me that I was creating Template:River morphology a while ago. I just fixed it up and implemented it. Any contributions that you (plural) might have would be appreciated, Awickert (talk) 19:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm no expert on river morphology, but shouldn't Ox bow lake be added to the template? --Bermicourt (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
River naming convention
I have come across a minor but irritating issue with the naming of German rivers. The default setting is fine: "XXXX". However, if disambiguation is required, the convention forces a choice between British usage, "River XXXX", and US usage, "XXXX River". In practice, I have found that there appears to be an unwritten convention for German rivers to move them to the US version, breaking the normal Wiki rule. It could be argued that, since the EU uses British English, the British convention should be followed for EU countries. However this need not be an issue if we allow "XXXX (river)" which is a) neutral, b) conforms to German practice and c) conveys correctly that the most common usages is to call German rivers by their name only ("XXXX"). For small rivers, we could also permit 'river' to be the name of the river system it is part of.
(BTW I have a theory that the reason for the difference in usage may have arisen because US naming is more recent and so rivers are named after something else e.g. an Indian tribe, state, saint or colour e.g. the Big Black River, the Tennessee River, the Red River, the Mississippi River, the St. John's River. So the name is an adjective or pseudo-adjective and rightly comes first. Whereas in older countries, the river has an ancient name and is therefore a noun in its own right: River Thames, River Avon. Of course there will always be exceptions...!)
Back to the subject: can we please allow "XXXX (river)" at least for German rivers! Bermicourt (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: +1. We have the same problem with the rivers of France. The rivers are known as Foo, not Foo River or River Foo, cf. Seine. I find it odd to create Lay River instead of Lay (river), because its true name is just Lay. Alvar? ? 14:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, there seems to be a reasonable consensus, so can we amend the convention, at least for German rivers? --Bermicourt (talk) 07:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Polish river names
I see there's a move to rename articles from "X River" to "X (river)" (which makes sense to me). Does this apply to those in Category:Rivers of Poland? If so, does anyone feel like moving them?--Kotniski (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Use of Co-ordinates on river pages
Has there been any discussion on this, as rivers will not have a single co-ordinate. Are the current co-ords supposed to be the mid-point on the river? Eldumpo (talk) 10:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Naming criteria: river basin?
I'd like to see some more input regarding the naming of rivers. I think the criteria should be expanded. In the specific case of Sutla, the larger part of the river basin (81,7%) and almost all of the tributaries belong to Slovenia, which seems to me like a valid argument for the renaming to the Slovene Sotla (see discussion). Opinions? --Eleassar my talk 07:59, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Surely the key criterion is what authoritative English language sources call it. After all the Rhein is mostly in Germany, but we still call it the Rhine. If it's too small to get a mention in any English sources, then your argument seems reasonable to me if you mean most of the actual river is in Slovenia (not just its tributaries). --Bermicourt (talk) 11:50, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
Progression
I've added a "progression" parameter to {{Infobox river}}; which can be seen in use on River Penk to describe the path (in that case: Sow--Trent--Humber--North Sea) taken by the waters of a river which is a tributary of one or more other rivers, and does not empty directly into a sea or lake.
Unnecessary disambiguation?
I'm not convinced by the recent move of the German river Luhe to Luhe (river). It's been done ostensibly to deconflict with Lühe a place near Hamburg, and Luhe County and Luhe District in China. None of the others have the same title and 2 don't even exist yet, so why the move? At most it surely just needs a hatnote? Or am I being too picky?! I don't wish to take unilateral action to revert it (and it may need an admin to do that) so I would welcome views. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:48, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Correct ambiguity in naming section
The current guidelines under naming seem to be ambiguous, in that another editor has just cited them in order to revert some tidying I had just done, also citing them. Clearly we read them differently. The problem comes with how rivers with ambiguous names should be disamabiguated.
The second paragraph of the naming section states:
which seems to me to be pretty unambiguous (and supports my original tidy-up). However the next sub-section goes on to say:
The first two sentences here are redundant (given the previous unambiguous statement) but (IMHO) harmless. The problem comes with the two bracketed sentences. I read these as a note imparting a cautionary tale on how easy it is to get it wrong. The other editor appears to read them as an acceptance of comma-based disambiguation for rivers in the UK.
I should point out that currently some UK rivers are disambiguated using brackets (for example River Avon (Warwickshire)) whilst others are disambiguated using commas (for example River Avon, Devon), which is ugly. In order to avoid this ugliness, we need the naming style for UK rivers to be unambiguous and definitive. I don't much mind if the definitive statement is for bracket based or comma based disambiguation, but chose bracket based because it seemed to be what this page preferred.
I propose therefore to remove the following text from the page, so as to remove the ambiguity:
I invite other editor's comments on this change before I make it, with the aim of establishing a consensus one way or another. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 18:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
(outdent)(ec)I came to this page following the renaming & reversion of River Axe, Somerset and on checking Category:Rivers of Somerset I note the inconsistencies (NB Bristol Avon mentioned above is currently River Avon (Bristol). I would prefer standardisation on River Name, County as this is consistent with other geographical locations within the UK, but think WP:UKGEO participants should be invited to comment on this discussion. Once the dispute is resolved edits should be made to Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about rivers setting out the guidance - it currently strongly recommends River Name, County ie Multiple rivers with the same name
Due to the fact that there are many rivers in the UK with the same name (e.g. there are at least four rivers in England called River Avon), the following method of disambiguation is proposed:
- The most important river can stay at the undisambiguated title, lesser known ones add a qualifier.
- In practice, most rivers needing disambiguation have been identified by the smallest appropriate political entity. So River Derwent becomes River Derwent, Yorkshire : River Derwent, Derbyshire : River Derwent, North East England & River Derwent, Cumbria.
- Most British rivers have used the River, place format for disambiguation rather than the River (parenthesis) format.
(Declaration of bias - I did help to write those guidelines).-- Rod talk 21:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
A further complication is that there are examples where disambiguation by county does not work, e.g. River Yeo, of which there are several examples in Devon, including 2 tributaries of the same river. Disambiguation by a smaller political entity does not work well, because rivers, unlike villages, have the untidy habit of crossing political boundaries. I chose a prominent place-name on the river, to disambiguate, and in that case, I think brackets work better because a comma indicates that it is in the disambiguating place (at least to me, possibly because we use commas for settlements), which seems inappropriate. If we do that, I would prefer brackets in all cases for consistency. It's also what we do for mountains per Wikipedia:WikiProject Mountains#Naming conventions. Natural features are different from settlements.Mhockey (talk) 23:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Since nobody else has, I have let the WP:UKGEO participants know about this discussion. Jeni (talk) 23:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Reprise
This discussion has got convoluted and rather heated, and seems to be going nowhere fast. I apologise if I have contributed to that. In the spirit of moving forward, it seems to me that there are three possible outcomes. First let me be clear that I'm talking here about UK rivers that have no unambiguous real world name; I'm not talking about renaming anything that doesn't already have either a comma or a bracket in its article name; the Black and White Carts have nothing to fear. The choices are:
- Standardise the guidelines to recomend the comma-disambiguated form; over time rename all existing bracket-disambiguated UK river articles to the comma-disambiguated form
- Standardise the guidelines to recomend the bracket-disambiguated form; over time rename all existing comma-disambiguated UK river articles to the bracket-disambiguated form
- Leave the guidelines in their current form; rename nothing; leave the choice of disambiguation form for new articles to individual authors
What are your choices? -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Bracket-disambiguation - for reasons stated above -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK places. Jeni (talk) 19:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK places.-- Rod talk 20:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Bracket-disambiguation - but it's a mild preference, if there is a clear UK usage outside of wikipedia I'd go with that, I went hunting for one but got mixed results. The Ordnance Survey which would be the obvious source to take a lead from is inconsistent. As noted above the Environment Agency uses commas [4], but I couldn't find anyone else other than wiki that does; [5], [6], [7], [8] all use brackets.
- Bracket-disambiguation - in line with rivers elsewhere and other UK natural features, which I see as following at least the spirit of WP:DAB#Naming the specific topic articles more closely, on this rationale:
- Bracket-disambiguation for the reasons given by both Chris j wood and Mhockey -- unless of course there is some evidence of a clear UK preference for commas with rivers outside of wikipedia and derivatives. older ? wiser 23:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK places.--Harkey (talk) 10:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK places and:
- Standardise the guidelines to recommend the comma-disambiguated form; over time rename all existing bracket-disambiguated UK river articles to the comma-disambiguated form.Ahjet (talk) 10:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK places. Pyrotec (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK place. Skinsmoke (talk) 00:22, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - in line with UK place. -- Dr Greg talk 01:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
'Bracket-disambiguation' I have been on a wikibreak, so come late to this discussion. I have been visiting the Ardèche (river), the Hérault (river) the Somme (river)- and because so many French departement are named after a river- this form of disambiguation is needed. With the exception of the Seine in Paris, I don't know one French river that uses the prefix or suffix 'River'.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)- This discussion is about disambiguating rivers with the same name, not using (river). Jeni (talk) 12:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Bracket-disambiguation as per reasons given by Chris j wood, Mhockey and Bkonrad. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comma-disambiguation - for UK rivers as per UK locations. Keith D (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
- Bracket-disambiguation. Disambiguation has to be global, simply because it is often necessary to dab between with the same name in different countries. Also I think the argument that disambiguation for rivers (a geographical feature) needs to kept in line with that for cities and towns (geopolitical features) is a poor one. A better analogy would be with mountains and hills, or islands, all of which are normally bracket disambiguated in the UK. -- Starbois (talk) 10:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
- Brackets, being our standard way of saying that the text inside the brackets is not part of the actual name of the place. --NE2 11:08, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
For disambiguating specific topic pages by using an unambiguous article title, several options are available:
1. When there is another term (such as Pocket billiards instead of Pool) or more complete name (such as Delta rocket instead of Delta) that is equally clear and unambiguous, that should be used. 2. A disambiguating word or phrase can be added in parentheses. The word or phrase in parentheses should be: * the generic class (avoiding proper nouns, as much as possible) that includes the topic, as in Mercury (element), Seal (mammal); or * the subject or context to which the topic applies, as in Union (set theory), Inflation (economics). 3. Rarely, an adjective describing the topic can be used, but it is usually better to rephrase such a title to avoid parentheses. 4. With place-names, if the disambiguating term is a higher-level administrative division, it is often separated using a comma instead of parentheses, as in Windsor, Berkshire. See Naming conventions (geographic names).
List of crossings of the Saint Lawrence River
A couple of weeks ago I made a suggestion to merge List of crossings of the Saint Lawrence River with List of crossings of the Niagara River and also add bridges across the Detroit and St. Clair Rivers into a single list, going all the way to Lake of the Woods. Since the suggestion went unanswered, I brought the idea here for comment. Any ideas? -- Blanchardb -MeoMyEarsoMyMouth- timed 04:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Stream Order (Strahler number)
It seems like it would be helpful to include the Strahler number on pages for river and streams. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Mluehrmann (talk o contribs) 04:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Sources for Canadian hydrologic data
I found sources for flow rates at various monitoring stations throughout Canada due to discussions on Talk:Fraser River. These can be found on this list of monitoring stations which you'll note has an alphebetical directory at the top for looking for other rivers' information. These are found through Water Survey Canada.Skookum1 (talk) 19:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Template:Infobox river deprecated
How did this happen without a discussion on this page or on the template discussion page? --Bermicourt (talk) 11:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Article needs help
River bifurcation needs a lot of help. 75.41.110.200 (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Renaming
For the naming discussion see Archive 2#River naming convention. The result was this modified convention: Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Naming. As a result of this, river articles are being moved, see below for progress. Markussep Talk 14:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Countries covered so far
- Albania
- Austria
- Belgium
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Bulgaria
- Croatia
- Czech Republic
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Italy
- Luxembourg
- Macedonia
- Montenegro
- Netherlands
- Poland
- Portugal (disputed)
- Serbia
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Switzerland
To be moved
Moves that need admin intervention:
Timok River --> Timok- Pusta River (South Morava) --> Pusta reka?
- Archar River --> Archar
- Mesta River --> Mesta (river)
- Achelous River --> Achelous (river)
- Bouraikos river --> Bouraikos
Timok
Rivers of Portugal
Hi, I see you moved some rivers from "X (river)" to "X River", for instance Minho (river). I had moved these last August to "X (river)" after a naming discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers. You can find the discussion at Archive 2#River naming convention, the result is this naming convention. Before I start moving articles etc.: do you agree that the word "River" is not part of the common name for rivers in Portugal? Markussep Talk 08:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Renaming
For the naming discussion see Archive 2#River naming convention. The result was this modified convention: Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Naming. As a result of this, river articles are being moved, see below for progress. Markussep Talk 14:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Countries covered so far
- Albania
- Austria
- Belgium
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Bulgaria
- Croatia
- Czech Republic
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Italy
- Luxembourg
- Macedonia
- Montenegro
- Netherlands
- Poland
- Portugal (disputed, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2#Rivers of Portugal)
- Serbia
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Switzerland
To be moved
Moves that need admin intervention:
Timok River --> Timok- Pusta River (South Morava) --> Pusta reka?
- Archar River --> Archar
- Mesta River --> Mesta (river)
- Achelous River --> Achelous (river)
- Bouraikos river --> Bouraikos
Strong concerns with the new naming scheme
Just one example, the move of the Spanish Arga River to Arga created a situation where lot of incoming links were false. The links refer to a location in India. Please add the word River everywhere for such short words. How many places around the world are named AgraArga? Adding "River" reduces ambiguaties to a large extent. TrueColour (talk) 20:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
@ "River X". As Markussep implies, it is not true that "River X" is archaic English. It is the standard and official way of naming most rivers in England (see separate discussion), although there are exceptions.
@ 'river' in lower case. In English we often write "the river X" or "the X river" particularly if we're introducing an unfamiliar river name to the reader. Thereafter the expressions are used interchangeably with "X". No different from "the Piddle valley" or "the valley of the Iller". But 'river' and 'valley' are not necessarily part of the name in such cases. --Bermicourt (talk) 22:06, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Disambiguation by mouth
Why is it Pearl River (Mississippi-Louisiana) and not Pearl River (Lake Borgne). Mouth is clear, but identified by the smallest appropriate political entity. is ambigous. Why not use a county? Why not use United States? Why use two states? TrueColour (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Bot adding basic infoboxes to river articles
A bot could detect the string "River (" and add a basic Infobox River? TrueColour (talk) 11:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Little River naming convention
There are at least 7 plain "Little River" streams in Georgia and at least 7 plain "Little River" streams in South Carolina. My question is about how to name two of these "Little Rivers" that are tributaries of the Savannah River.
The right hand "Little River" flows into the current Thurmond Reservoir (Clarks Hill) from Columbia County, Georgia. GNIS ID 317163. In Wikipedia it is named Little River (Savannah River).
The left hand "Little River" flows into the current Thurmond Reservoir (Clarks Hill) from McCormick County, South Carolina. GNIS ID 1229933. In Wikipedia it does not have an article about this river but is erroneously referred to as Little River (Seneca River)Little River on the List of rivers of South Carolina. Little River (Seneca River) is actually a tributary of the Keowee River, but is listed as a tributary of the Seneca River, which is a common mistake that needs to be corrected.
My question is how to name the two Savannah River versions. One solution would be Little River (Savannah River - Georgia) and Little River (Savannah River - South Carolina). But this problem has probably been seen before and a solution worked out. What is the recommendation? KudzuVine (talk) 00:19, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Crystal Cove streams article name
I'm trying to cover the 6 streams that empty into the Pacific in the Crystal Cove State Park area in California between Newport Beach and Laguna Beach, and these are Buck Gully, Morning Canyon, Pelican Hill Creek, Los Trancos Creek, Muddy Canyon, El Moro Canyon, and Emerald Canyon. However, I don't think any of these are notable enough to warrant their own articles (except maybe Buck Gully and Emerald Canyon) because none of them are even over 10 miles long and they all drain similar areas with similar histories and geology. If I was to make an article describing all these creeks, what should I title it? Shannontalk contribs 00:27, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Renaming
For the naming discussion see Archive 2#River naming convention. The result was this modified convention: Wikipedia:WikiProject Rivers#Naming. As a result of this, river articles are being moved, see below for progress. Markussep Talk 14:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC) Is there a way to stop the bot from archiving this section? This topic is not finished. Markussep Talk 10:17, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Countries covered so far
- Albania
- Austria
- Belgium
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Bulgaria
- Croatia
- Czech Republic
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Italy
- Luxembourg
- Macedonia
- Montenegro
- Netherlands
- Poland
- Portugal (disputed, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers/Archive 2#Rivers of Portugal)
- Serbia
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Switzerland
To be moved
Moves that need admin intervention:
- Pusta River (South Morava) --> Pusta reka?
- Archar River --> Archar
- Mesta River --> Mesta (river)
- Achelous River --> Achelous (river)
- Bouraikos river --> Bouraikos
Oliphants River (Western Cape)
On the Wikipedia page "Oliphants River Western Cape" it states the river terminates at Papendorp. This is true, except the link on that page to Papendorp redirects to Woodstock, suburb of Cape Town that was formally known as Papendorp. This is misleading since it makes in appear, if indirectly, that the Oliphants River of the Western Cape terminates in Woodstock.
A new page is needed on Papendorp (near Strandfontein), and the link corrected.
(I'm new to Wikipedia, so if this isn't the proper way to provide feedback, thanks in advance for your patience)Emflagrante (talk) 22:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
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Bot tagging some articles, offer to auto-assess while there
I have been asked by WP:SAFRICA to tag some of their rivers, and they suggested I add {{River}} at the time. I will commence this task on Monday if there are no objections. I can also have the bot attempt to auto-assess the article while it is there. Please let me know if this is desired. -xenotalk 18:45, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- This was Done, it made 90 edits. When {{River}} was added, it says so in the edit summary. Cheers, -xenotalk 17:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
Page numbers for books used in River Parrett FAC
Does anyone have a copy of Ekwall, Eilert (1928). English River Names. Oxford Clarendon Press. and would be willing to look up a page number for the derivation of the name of the River Parrett from Pedair from pedr meaning four and Rit meaning flow, which in this case would relate to the four flows or streams: the Tone, Yeo, Isle and Parrett. This is the last item needed (I think) in getting the article on the River Parrett ready for another FA nomination (last time it was closed with no opposes , but also no supports). Any help appreciated.-- Rod talk 11:43, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Lack of maps, nature of infobox pics
I have noticed that many river articles lack a map showing the course of the river. In my opinion, that's a serious lack. Shouldn't it be remedied to (I have done so for some articles) ? And especially, shouldn't such maps be placed as the infobox picture ? I have noticed that many infobox pics are very similar : taken from the bank of the river, they do not offer a good view of the characteristics of the river. All one sees is some water. In my personal opinion, these pictures should be replaced by maps : it's the first thing I'd expect to see in an article about a river. Failing that, if maps aren't appealing enough as infobox pics (and I understand they may be seen as too dull), it really would be better to select more significant pictures, like aerial views of the river, or satellite imagery, or perhaps a really significant landmark. What do you think ? --Alþykkr (talk) 18:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
13:12, March 13, 2010 (hist | diff)
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I have found {http://www.openstreetmap.org/} to be a useful starting point, but my graphic skills are limited as you can see on maps in maps on river articles in the Bristol area. I compare to the ordnance survey and go from there. -- Jezhotwells (talk) 04:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Advice on dab - Guichon Creek
I know WP:Rivers dabs usually "go" to the parent stream; in WP:Canada sometimes we've dabbed them to the region they're in. Please see Talk:Guichon Creek#Another Guichon Creek (or two).Skookum1 (talk) 15:40, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Ochlockonee River length
While sticking a geobox on the Ochlockonee River page, I discovered wildly varying references for the length of said river - ranging from 125 to 300 miles. I used the length given in the book Rivers of Florida by Charles Boning, but if anyone has a more definitive/accurate length, I'd love to hear it! - The Bushranger (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
River stub tag
Is there a river stub tag? I tried [[Template:river-stub]] but it appears to have been deleted. --Bermicourt (talk) 11:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Rivers of County Dublin
I'm hoping someone from this project could take a look at Category talk:Rivers of County Dublin. Over the past year, this page has been turned into a strange talk page/list article hybrid, complete with a references section at the bottom. This clearly is not what talk pages are for. Since I have no particular knowledge about Irish rivers, I'm hoping someone involved in this wikiproject could create a proper article, perhaps using the information already collected on the category talk page. Then the talk page can be blanked and become a proper talk page again. I asked at WikiProject Ireland, but didn't exactly get an enthusiastic response, so I thought maybe someone here could help. --RL0919 (talk) 18:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Categorization of rivers by basin - Germany
I have expanded the category structure for river basins in Germany, basing it on a) the existing top level structure under Category:Continental basins of the North Sea and b) adding additional sub-basins using de.wiki which has already categorized all German rivers based on their hierarchy (why re-invent the wheel?). I have incorporated all existing river articles in the states of Lower Saxony, Saxony and Saxony-Anhalt into the structure; others may wish to cover other German states or European countries.
Note that the syntax is [[Category:Foo basin|xName]] where Foo is the name of the basin for an x-order tributary. So a tributary called Xoo discharging into Foo would be [[Category:Foo basin|1Xoo]] and a tributary called Hoo discharging into Xoo would be called [[Category:Foo basin|2Hoo]] indicating that it is a 2nd order tributary. Lakes and canals are also covered but the river name is preceded by a letter L or C in the syntax instead of a number. Have a look at Category:Weser basin or Category:Elbe basin to get a feel for the structure and any of the river articles therein for the syntax. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 11:41, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I thought initially that de.wiki was using the Strahler Stream Order, but it's the inverse. I don't know if that's a recognised system, but it seems to work. The only thing I can't work out is when to stop creating sub-basins. I got a slapped wrist on de.wiki for adding an extra category called [[Kategorie:Flusssystem Abzucht]] based on a stream, the Abzucht (Oker), in the Harz. Clearly they felt it was too small to merit its own basin! I suspect the rules for this may be in the standard river basin category text, but I haven't translated the template for that yet. --Bermicourt (talk) 04:56, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I have now categorised the Bavarian rivers too and am now going for a rest! --Bermicourt (talk) 07:58, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
You're right. I have been trying to convert the de.wiki templates that explain it, but they are complex and I haven't cracked it yet. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Moves of Moldova River and Roter Main
In moving European rivers from "Foo River" to "Foo (river)" we seem to have missed out Moldova River. Also Roter Main should be moved to Red Main which is its English name. I have tried to move them, but they needs an admin. Can someone help? If someone is willing to put me forward as an admin, I'd be happy to help out as an admin on this project. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:56, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Anyway back to the original request. Are we okay with Moldova River moving to Moldova (river) (not suggesting we do all other Romanian rivers!) and Roter Main to Red Main? If so, can someone action that? --Bermicourt (talk) 19:43, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Markussep too. Anyway here are some references that use "Red Main". The first one is an authoritative source called "Rivers of Europe" published by a host of international authors in 2009, the second is the one by the tourist board of the region. The rest are examples of common usage.:
- Rivers of Europe by Klement Tockner, Urs Uehlinger, Christopher T. Robinson (2009), Academic Press, London.
- The Rhythm of the River at www.mainriver.de.
- Main River Cruises at www.avalonwaterways.com. Retrieved on 11 May 2010.
- Main Cycle Route at www.germany-tourism.de.
- Germany's Main River Begins With Beer And Ends With Wine at www.mygermancity.com.
- Main River Cruises at www.globusjourneys.in.
- About Main River Cruises at www.vikingrivercruises.com.
- Main River - Germany at www.choosingcruising.co.uk.
- Destinations - The Main at www.rivercruiseline.co.uk.
- Bayreuth - Kulmbach: Where the Red and White Main meet at www.crazyguyonabike.com.
- Mountains in Germany at www.everythingaboutgermany.com.
--Bermicourt (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
User:Chemicalinterest/Oakeys stream (New Jersey)
This is just a little stream that is a branch of Lawrence Brook. Would it be notable enough to add to Wikipedia? Thanks. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
Then I'll move the article to the new name. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
He's not terribly active, but you might also try to contact Lithium6ion (talk · contribs), who has written several nice articles on very small streams in New Jersey. Choess (talk) 05:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
User:Chemicalinterest/Cross Brook (New Jersey) and Mayes Brook, tributary of Lawrence Brook
I cannot find the former brook in the USGS GNIS, but it is listed on a map of Franklin Township. I cannot find the second one anywhere else other than on Wikipedia or on Google Maps, where it was copied from Wikipedia. I have removed the latter from the List of rivers of New Jersey and the list of tributaries of the Lawrence brook under the Lawrence Brook article. I will remove the former if no sources can be found. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Steep Hill Brook, tributary of Six Mile Run (New Jersey)
This is another stream that is not listed on the USGS GNIS. It is listed on a township map though. But I want to find the coordinates for the source and the mouth. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 01:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
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